Harbeth crossover upgrade Power Harbeth C7ES3; Harbeth M30. Location: Eagle, Idaho. First, as you can see in my bio on this website, I am a Harbeth owner, and have been since 2014. uk. Harbeth. 5 dB and the Omega pro 15 would be around 97dB. 1 Bookshelf Speakers Audio Exchange ZAR 28,000 18% Jul 31, 2024 Thanks to my local Harbeth/Blue Circle dealer (Don Leman Audio), I'm demoing the latest iteration of the venerable HL5, the Super HL5 Plus. Joined 2019. As for not going above 75 Hz, I want the The new terminals on the rear panel connect directly to the printed circuit board that contains the crossover components, which shortens the signal path and minimises transition losses. Last edited: Jan 18, 2018. Loudspeakers. No experience with those speakers. 7i; Magnepan LRS; Spendor A4; DIY Projects. Which of these speakers give the most realistic reproduction of musical instruments? 4. I might lower the crossover point further to achieve this but I don't want a dip between that and 75 Hz. Advanced RADIAL2™ tech delivers dynamic, transparent sound, perfect for any environment. I'm tempted to try these vintage speakers in my search for a 'big LS3/5a' type sound, and as a cheaper alternative to modern equivalents from Graham Audio Harbeth Spendor Classic Rogers Stirling etc. 48 dB as that is the steepest slope. 2 XD in turn has all the Anniversary model upgrades and then some. The Harbeth was a very coherent spearer, but the Audio Note was no slouch in this area either. Distributor) 460 Amherst St (Route 101A) Nashua, New Hampshire 03063 (603) 880-4434 Both the Seas tweeter and Harbeth mid-bass unit appear to be very well made. M40. Critically important, but hidden, is the crossover, which carefully integrates the drive units across a wider horizontal and vertical These 40th Anniversary were limited to, IIRC, 300 pairs worldwide, and use even-higher specification and quality parts for the crossover and binding posts (WBC) than the originally released 30. I bought a returned set, open box, yes, more than the KEF, but not as much as you might think. 5 to 2Khz. You should know that I'm really not trying to bring Harbeth down, but I was simply answering the question as to why they weren't MY cup of tea. 2 is differently voiced to the M40. The Harbeth is great for most types of music that I listen to except for rock and dynamic music. Due to original Celestion Ditton 66 crossover caps being way out of spec, I decided to replace them first. I like Harbeth P3's, have owned them twice. 6QR with crossover upgrade Pioneer PLX-1000, Nagaoka MP-150, Tascam CD200, microRendu, Sonictransporter I5, Benchmark DAC2HGC & AHB2, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3s, Analog Research Velluto, minidsp 2X4HD, SB Acoustics DIY subs, Sony HDR-F1HD, Alesis ML9600. It wouldn’t be bad if Harbeth published the changes but they seem to leave their upgrades without technical specifics, just price increases. I am very much a newb so hard for me to explain exactly what they are doing/upgrading but it sounds interesting for sure and they are The wires from the crossover PCB are different lengths, so rather than replacing them, I simply swapped them at the PCB end, thus maintaining correct phase. Member. Aluminum top-plate The Duos bring the performance a little closer to you than the Harbeth perspective, and they are both smoother and more detailed overall. 1's, owns a pair of Tannoy I'm not an expert on reading these measurements, but that's my understanding. 5’s might just shake the ground you walk on. Lolz EDIT: perhaps that's why Harbeth think all competently designed amplifiers sound the same, its due to the lack of transparency in their crossover circuitry --- j/k. After an extensive online research, I concluded that the biggest improvements can be made by upgrading the crossover, which according to numerous Internet sources, is the weakest link of the JBL L100. Enclosure The enclosure is made using classic BBC thinwall practice - high-quality 9mm birch plywood, critically damped with self-adhesive bitumen pads (which are additionally stapled in Current successor, Harbeth P3ESR XD is over $3,000/pair Two-way, stand-mounted, sealed-box loudspeaker. Also being mass produced cheaper than specialist audio caps. Companies like Harbeth though clever place the directivity problem/peak in the presence region (by using relatively high tweeter crossover frequency) where it gives a nice euphonic voicing. I've got a pair of harbeth speakers that belonged to my father that I'd potentially like to upgrade, if feasible. Listing ID: lisaa4d0 Classified Listed April 27, 2021 10:31pm · 583 Views. Harbeth C7ES3; Harbeth M30. Maybe a photo of PCB and elements A cheaper option to the Harbeth and IMO better sounding is the Audio Note E (which have 14 versions from $6k to $200k) all of which sound better than any Harbeth or K-Horn. Crossover frequency: 3. Yank Bulbous Also yesterday i came back from about 1. 2 - Antipodes CX + EX - Chord mScaler + TT2 - MicroZOTL MZ3 - 805 Line Magnetic SET - Sotm - Shindo - Sanders - Shunyata Triton + Typhon + Cyclops - Anaconda + Python PCs - loom of WireWorld Platinum + loom of Neotech Nemos signal cables - Stillpoint U5s About Wharfedale Linton : The older, wider baffles wasnt as bad as many thinks. Was I felt that the Audio Note offered superior low frequency response and a clearer midrange. Specialist audio caps are a wast of money. Good engineering. The listening fatigue of the Model 1s is much higher than the Harbeth. knotscott likes this. You can't compare metal dome with metal dome, it is about crossover design, implementation etc. I think the Benelux dealer who is long established with harbeth did a side by side comparison and considered the 40th anniversary a worthwhile additional expenditure. Looking at the schematic it looks like after the signal reaches the tweeter, it goes through R2, C3 and then through L1 for the second time before go 0:00 Intro10:23 Sound Impressions14:00 Harbeth Line Up SummarizedEmail me at "2channellistening@gmail. pdreher does make a point, maybe they hit their delta on performance. Phil If you look at some crossover schematics for 3-way Home. A big difference. May 2, 2024. For anyone very familiar with the sound of the Harbeth 30. and they are amazing. it was detailed but not too bright, the mids had a lots of timber / 3D while the bass was detailed and had enough punch that i could make out each instrument. Harbeth is convinced that deviations in frequency response should be solved with a filter and that you also need to correct the baffle step within the crossover. and last year the Music Department wanted to upgrade from their cheap 1990s Sony HiFi. About $400 USD. I think the latest line will essentially be the anniversaries minus the fancy connectors and veneer options, ie just the crossover update. I want the least amount of overlap. Have a sub, but would get a different one when the time comes. It was a good upgrade over the 5, in fact a much needed modernisation away from that old 'slightly too warm and friendly' original 5 sound IMO. 00: ON : Jan 14, 2022: 15 : WANTED: Wanted Harbeth 40. I would also agree that GR Research does profit from the crossover upgrades he sells. For me (in my system, with my room and electronics) I find the Stirlings easier and more fun to listen to for extended periods, especially if you like to turn up the volume from time to time (or all the time). I’ve heard the M40. I also upgraded my DAC to the Musical Fidelity tri-vista 21. 2. Fo a good idea of how this looks go check out the Slylan Stands at skylanstands. I would describe the Magnums tone as neutral. I would have been happy if I bought either the Audio Note, Harbeth, or Canalis, but I was happy that I listened to all three so I could make an informed choice. 1 was born Harbeth claims the speaker can handle 650 watts per channel which mean it is probably capable of a total of 114dB Audio Note claims their speakers can handle 150 watts 96dB 1w The Crossover's are by ALK engineering, who makes crossover upgrades for legacy Klipsch speakers. One thing to consider setting the The wires from the crossover PCB are different lengths, so rather than replacing them, I simply swapped them at the PCB end, thus maintaining correct phase. 2s [I]or[/I] the current-spec model, the 30. Just a capaciter upgrade is all it took. Joined 2020. I listen to jazz no louder than 75dbs in a bright 400 sq ft room. This is the updated version featuring a new Radial 2 mid/bass driver and new Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 30th Annv. Magnepan 1. 1, which is basically the pro version, M40. In continuous production through several design generations since its inception, now featuring Harbeth's RADIAL2™ driver and a radically new approach to the crossover. 2 Anniversary in 2019 (Google “Seydor Harbeth Monitor 40. 2 anniversary model features; the latest WBT-nextgen binding posts, a new-look tweeter with silver hex grill, British-made audio grade poly capacitors, and Harbeth's 40th anniversary ultra-pure OFC internal cable. Speaker stands are often fitted with sharp spiked feet that If you happen to be someone that finds your joy in the music a lot more than you do in endless gear swapping and the upgrade path, your journey could end right here. Forums. The second is that for the past three years I have an active crossover for an 80hz bypass and SVS sb1000 pro handles the lower scale, but who knows, the Totem or Harbeth can handle a bit more oomph than the Neats at a good bit of power and i might turn down the help from the sub to below new speaker spec output(the Neat couldnt and still cant even with the bypass. 2 Likes. IMO many speaker designers could learn a lot by studying Harbeth and Makes me glad that I Harbeth SHL5+ vs SHL5+ 40th anniversary? Thread starter Goodman_77; Start date Aug 21, 2018; Prev. His video suggests that old British designs (spendor, Stirling, Rogers) Do not measure up to GR Some years ago a German company named Cicable, now gone, sold bespoke crossovers for Spendor and BBC speaker models designed by Derek Hughes. Dutch & Dutch 8c Stands; Replicating the crossovers with the same drivers would be a challenge itself, to replicate the speaker's characteristics with different drivers and crossovers will take a bit of doing. $3,650. Joined Dec 12, 2021 Messages 354 Likes 279. I used DRA Labs' MLSSA system and a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone to measure the Harbeth Super HL5plus's frequency response in the farfield; and an Earthworks QTC-40, with its small, ¼"-diameter capsule, for the nearfield responses. 83V/1m axial. 5" (110mm) polypropylene-cone woofer; both units are magnetically shielded for use in close proximity to a TV set or monitor. Billfort; Mar 4, 2004; DIY; Replies 7 Views 2K. I've been running my Harbeth Compact 7es-3's full range along with various sub woofers using only However; for the price of these I would not recommend spending $200+ on a crossover update. Liya Senior Member. Harbeth cabinets employ the same constructional techniques used in musical instruments, where material selection and damping are all-important. Now, just a few years after the last of those upgrades, Harbeth has introduced an even newer and presumably better cone material, RADIAL2. I know that later in the year the new P3's I am surprised by the harbeth complex and cheaply built crossover. BIGGER Dave, Feb 13, 2020 #5. It seems like the crossover between the 8 inch bass and midrange is done at 630 Hz - probably at the frequency of the baffle step , so no correction is needed for the midrange because the 8 inch woofer fills up nicely. I was trying to find out what the signal path is before reaching the driver so I found a schematic online and various images. I’ve given lead position and allotted more space to C7ES-3 XD here because it’s the latest (and last) Harbeth to get XD treatment and so much time has elapsed since I reviewed its predecessor, whereas I reviewed the Monitor 40. The Dynaudios were not bad att all but in comparison they feel dead and boring. Harbeth Monitor 40. I would also tend for the Seas A26RE4 as that driver has the same kind of qualities as the Harbeth woofers, but the crossover point will have to be lower with that one. I Harbeth acoustics reference stand 3 von tonträger audio für harbeth p3 Audio-markt €550 Dec 14, 2024 Subito Harbeth Compact7ES Subito €1,450 19% Dec 10, 2023 With the First Watt SIT-3: When the Nelson Pass–designed First Watt SIT-3 power amplifier clicks with a speaker, it presents recordings in a manner that has bones, core strength, and a natural way with vocal and instrumental timbre. It doesn’t get a lot better than that. 2 Ann. Get that right, and the crossover will be much easier to design for simplicity. 0%: Harbeth Super HL5 Plus 40th Anniversary Edition. I resisted the upgrade bug at the time The details of the execution construction/ crossover design and layout seems to be what separates them from each other. All of them work well with Harbeth. I recap the crossovers to ensure that capacitors are within Late update. I found the high frequencies of the C7 XD beautiful. Introduced in 1988, the original HL Compact 7 was the first model to use Harbeth’s Radial, a patented, propriety synthetic compound—now widely used in the company’s woofers and midrange drivers—that Shaw considers far superior in resolution and low coloration to the polypropylene that Harbeth’s founder, Dudley Harwood, pioneered at Jim’s brother Tom Thiel is very active in the thread and documenting a “hot rod” upgrade for the 2. com (US Distributor) 603-880-4434 1. A new refined crossover was optimized with the latest in sophisticated computer-modeling software. The crossover is very complicated especially when compared with other 2-way shoe box size speakers available on the market. September 26, 2024. Crossover Upgrade. 2 Anniversary for about an year. After an extensive online research, I concluded that the biggest improvements can be made by upgrading the crossover, which according to numerous Internet sources, is the weakest link I haven’t heard every version of the speaker, so I don’t want to come across like I am an expert on every iteration of the 30. Bookshelf Speakers; Ro Buy Now Make an Offer View Product Details For fastest service, speak with one of our HiFi consultants: 1-888-326-7490 (Mon - Fri) PLEASE NOTE: the above links will direct you to tmraudio. Harbeth manufactures most their drive units in-house except for the tweeters. You really need a pretty big room to justify M40. 1; Harbeth M40. Even the base Q7 crossover was pretty nice, not that same as the silver badge, and very similar to something you’d find in a Harbeth or Proac speaker component wise. Motor start capacitors are excellent for crossovers. Anyone thought of using motor start capacitors? When I replaced one recently I was surprised to find it was Polyprop and being 5uF the right sort of value for crossovers. The top-plate of the stands must be adequately large and the stands themselves stable to prevent the speakers from toppling over. Heard other Harbeth models, 30 and 40 at audio shows. 1 seem in comparison with JBL 4344? 3. And it's mainly the crossovers that are responsible for it. The crossover is pretty complex as far as crossovers go. The tweeter is not at all fatiguing in my experience, it’s obviously refined sounding, somewhat soft (not as in rolled-off, it’s decently extended, but in a soft dome 75 Hz as that is where the Harbeth P3ESRs begin to taper off. Or somewhere around 7x-10x more voltage. So in theory shouldn't the Harbeth XD versions with upgraded parts sound alot to better than the As Jimbro says, there is a big mis-match in sensitivity. Ayya Khema - Harbeth models are primarily designed to suit different room sizes. Neither speaker that old will still have their original drivers/crossovers meeting original specs. I've never heard such a warm and beautiful sound from a loud Guest. As someone earlier pointed out, the more component it has, the more likely the deleterious effects (insertion losses, being one of them) are. joeriz, jonwoody and Glmoneydawg like this. Anyone with Matrix 802's, look into this upgrade. I’m showing the frequency response for Harbeth P3ESRs as being 75Hz–20kHz, ±3dB. Jan 3, 2018 #2 Only the schema is missing. twice and, more importantly, I’ve owned the smaller M30. And use minimal internal damping material. Maybe that’s worth it to you? In the interests of full disclosure I need to preface what you are about to read with a couple of facts about me. Mar 8, 2004. Upgraded crossover. P. They're already a good bang for the As mentioned already, I own these speakers - folks are hung up on dispersion and crossover (reasonable), but lest we forget they 'play' along with music too, some more than others. Your Harbeth are low sensitivity at 83. From what I understand, the newer version of the speaker is more contemporary sounding and probably more to Your Harbeth are low sensitivity at 83. 2021-11-08 1:08 pm #120 Crossover: 40 Hz Slope: 12 dB Volume: -10 dB Phase: 180 This is based on some measurements someone did for me on the Harbeth forums and how it sounds in my room and system. More like 1. The P3’s have amazing coherence and naturalness, especially with the voice. The overall personality of the sound is smooth and musically engaging with plenty of deep bass for my tastes. in my experience move to tube amp bring more plus/magic to the midrange what harbeth famous for ! Just put up the NC info so you get an idea of what improvements are possible. Even figuring losses in the woofer crossover and other factors, your P3ESR would need 10x-15x A pair of Harbeth speakers is carefully matched before being sold, and home modifications are frowned on by the manufacturer. I’ve read two recommendations online for setting your sub crossover to 45 Hz, yet I’ve read you should set your crossover to 10 Hz above your speakers lowest rating for some overlap, meaning 85 Hz. only said that Harbeth had spent every penny they could making it as good as was then possible. 1 is not a worthy upgrade from the C7ES3 by Alan I suspect musicality is usually mostly the result of the drivers and crossovers and cabinet combination being able to produce accurate acoustic Source vinyl record 12' remix single "French Kiss Josh Wink"Tonearm SME VMM Cartridge Ortofon 2M BlackTube pre amp. uk (factory) Fidelisdistribution. 5kHz. 2 in 2017 and the 40. Reactions: J U Stone. Update 2022-03-23: Added full mini series links Update 2022-04-05: Added phase response and IMD section The wires from the crossover PCB are different lengths, so rather than replacing them, I simply swapped them at the PCB end, thus maintaining correct phase. imo the Harbeth's sound much more relesdtic, voices and acoustic instruments. Raspberry Pi4 (moodeaudio)/Marantz TT15s and Rega Fono MC phono stage - ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition - March Audio P452 - Harbeth P3ESR. com" The Music Room; Contact Ben Klenk bklenk@tmraudio. If the OP decides to go for the K-horns, I do recommend him Some Harbeth dealers online have really placed the XD on a high pedestal with all their hyperbolic marketing statements. Sounded absolutely fantastic. The bass that was there w/ the Harbeth was def. The new speaker has a single pair of gold-plated terminal posts on its rear panel, compared with the earlier version's two pairs, for biwiring. It may be that Harbeth and Spendor have both advanced the art a bit now, while staying true to the principles. 2 connected to the Accuphase E370 - Wow never heard a system (headphones or Speakers) better. D. In addition, high quality ‘ultra-pure’ OFC copper internal cable interfaces the crossover to the speakers’ bespoke drivers. Accuphase and multiple Blue Circle amps. 1 at the Stereophile show in New York City prior to Covid, and the character that attracted me to these speakers and that version certainly is the character of my 30. The Harbeth is specified as having a sensitivity of 86dB/W/m, and my estimate of For the celebratory version of C7ES-3, Harbeth has substituted the standard crossover components with upgraded UK-manufactured poly-capacitors. 00. I think the 5 anni was launched early 2018. , 20Hz-40Hz) is somewhat weakened, and it cannot produce maximum sound pressure in large rooms. I think a (used) pair of 40. The Linton's seem to be trying to emulate them. I have over 100 hrs on them now. B. That kind of care and attention is rare in audio. 1 Crossover points are 3. One of the speakers the SIT-3 really clicked with was Harbeth's P3ESR 40th Anniversary Edition; see the first link in footnote 1 for details. 2”). rodentdog, Jan 8, 2022 #8. Upgrades: Entirely new crossover Cabinet dampened using aluminum-backed butyl rubber (cheap alternative to Dynamat or Killmat) Added more stuffing (an ounce or two of Polyfill in each box) Just wanted to share this as a fun project that can be done to upgrade your speakers if you already have a pair of these. Harbeth have built their range around the Radial driver. Crossover slopes: third-order, Harbeth's release the Compact C7ES-3 XD speakers, brand new for 2020 it's rare that Harbeth produce a new speaker never mind a new range! Critically important, but hidden, is the crossover, which carefully integrates the drive units across a wider horizontal and vertical arc. The latter are manufactured by Norway's Seas to Alan Shaw’s specifications. . Billfort. I understand Harbeth pro and consumer were for along time basically the same, but not in recent years. Related Topics Topic Replies Views Activity; Harbeth SuperHL5. Hi, I wanted to upgrade the crossovers of a Wharfedale Linton 85th. A. 1. The M30. I really recommend Harbeth. @audio_bidder: your question is not addressed to me; nevertheless, I’ll try to add my 2 cents. All Hovland Musicap capacitors, Solen air core inductors, Eagle metal film resistors, and Analysis Plus 9AWG internal wiring. 3xd’s after reading a bunch of ott reviews. Not as soft as some tube amps. Also now running a pair of Harbeth C7es-3s. The best I've owned to date. ) With single drivers you don’t get phase anomalies and crossover distortion and once your ear gets attuned to this, it’s very hard to accept it in other speakers. Choices include a different designed passive crossover, active crossovers and a few owners prefer simply the same design with ugraded capacitors. Enclosure The enclosure is made using classic BBC thinwall practice - high-quality 9mm birch plywood, critically damped with self-adhesive bitumen pads (which are additionally stapled in The Harbeths work well with a sub for movies (crossover at 80hz) but when I did a quick AB with music material I preferred the sub off. This isolates the sensitive capacitors from the unwanted effects of air pressure within the enclosure and makes for a very effective heatsink to ensure optimum performance when in use. The changes are only in the The crossover is complex, with five inductors, ten capacitors, and three resistors. Hey, I upgraded the crossover components on my q750 and my q350 center channel. The Monacor SPH-220HQ looks very smooth in the measurements I've seen, as does the Seas CA22RNX & CA22RNY. 1 I have a few On the Harbeth users group it was mentioned that the 30. There are Similar Build Threads out there, with links to parts, pieces, builds, similar designs, etc. It sounds really cool. The most important change is the use of Harbeth's proprietary and patented Radial2 material for the woofer cone. The main thing about Harbeth speakers is drivers with no resonances in the passband and a mass loaded thin wall cabinet like the BBC LS3/5A. The HL-P3es2 is am my only option when it comes to Harbeth's due to the fact that they are to be used on a desktop and anything bigger will not work. The Harbeths have a little more detail. It was implied that the original SL6 version is very easy to listen to and has a really nice midrange. Certainly the cost of the upgrades more than justifies the additional price. DIY Putting those values into a simple Butterworth crossover simulator gives a crossover frequency of 2,750 Hz, so the measured inductor values would appear to be reasonable. All the Harbeth crossovers I've seen are very complicated, so it makes you think the drivers aren't very well-behaved at all. Harbeth 40. The selection of driver complement, in itself, is a bit of an art. The 25mm tweeter, 20mm super tweeter, speaker cabinet and crossover are, along with the Harbeth Super HL5 Plus model is the latest iteration of the Harbeth HL-Monitor – the first loudspeaker model launched by Harbeth in 1977. DIY 300B SET Update. These changes lead to Harbeth having to redesign the crossover from the ground up. 2's will be my next speaker upgrade These have been on my radar for a while now Do you need to upgrade the crossover before install for them to work correctly ? Again the sound differences Thank you . After trying out some of Steve's "recepies" with Vifa M21, I have found that his BW3 style crossover using 8inch woofer and inverted polarity on tweeter is "my kind of sound". It's showing the If you fancy modelling simple crossovers, I can recommend Basta, an excellent free download which allows you to play around with all the variables - driver, box/baffle, active and In fact, crossover upgrades are one of the last places to look to improve the sound. Harbeth have been using variations on this recipe since 1977. Page 2 of 3 < Prev 1 2 3 Next > bgiliberti Will You Be My Neighbor? The Harbeth’s are very refined when it comes to vocals, and can make music sound completely present. diyiggy. Due to limited space in the original Tannoy Monitor Gold crossover enclosures, Firstly, a passive crossover should be as simple as possible. Question 1: Will the full crossover upgrade from BEC provide a worthwhile upgrade over his cap replacement given the much higher cost? The cap upgrade can be had for 1/4 the cost of a full crossover replacement. Harbeth M30. With the super smooth frequency response you can use very simple crossover to hit your target curve. Raspberry Pi Zero 2W (moodeaudio) - Topping D50s/A50s - Harbeth Super HL5 Plus model is the latest iteration of the Harbeth HL-Monitor – the first loudspeaker model launched by Harbeth in 1977. New posts Search forums. However worth mentioning is that the Harbeth line up is very different in sound signature. Just got Harbeth SHL5 plus Working on optimizing their placement. co. I wish harbeth would give us a genuine 3 way the size of an HL5, using the radial bass, but with the mid/bass from the hlp3 and the tweeter from the p3/30/40’s notch tweeter instead of the 2,5 way concept with the super tweeter would make more sense in general and a less complex crossover like the C7ES3_ would be great. The Harbeths sound more extended in the high frequencies, though, and a Radio Shack Some speakers, like ATC, are sold exactly the same whether for studio or domestic use. silversport See Skylan Stands for good image. The 30. Harbeth can create emotions and connect to your music like nothing else I've tried before. Last edited: 2020-03-25 4:22 pm. After a few upgrades to nice caps etc it’s around $500, plus enclosure, for one speaker. 2 Anniversary model sports better performance WBT ‘Nextgen’ binding posts, Harbeth’s ‘new-look’ tweeter, and upgraded audiophile-grade polyester capacitors that are made in England specifically for Harbeth. William Bryant Forum Resident. I also think that taking measurements with the grills on would be best for these particular speakers since they measure better that way and also Harbeth states they should be kept on. All I did was use audiophile grade caps and resistors with the same value, and genuinely heard a difference and about 40% better resolution and clarity, and more detail in instruments. 5k and 10k, with response out to 40kHz. 39: 5647: August 21, 2019 Thoughts on bypass capacitor upgrades for crossovers-more expensive caps They had the DN12 crossover upgrade I think. But no way in the world (IMHO) they're worth over three grand. I upgraded the crossovers to the Gold Badge ones; same as those used in the Falcon LS3/5a. Can't believe how expensive old Rogers and especially Spendors are nowadays, despite many of 'em being shagged out. 3 XD. Last edited: Nov 9, 2021 Reactions: John Phillips and Fatmarley I think in general a well designed speaker includes the art of crossover design, and Harbeth speakers and crossovers are very well designed. It ran for about 3 years until the Anniversary series. Harbeth make no outlandish claims about their cabinet materials or crossover parts. Some free tweaks can yield better results 2. The HL5plus gets the very best from the Harbeth-made 200mm RADIAL2™ bass/mid driver in a cabinet is skillfully designed according to the pioneering research undertaken by the I see folks here frequently recommending using a crossover between stand mounted loudspeakers and sub woofer. Sensitivity 86dB/2. How slow does the sound of Harbeth M40. As said they sound nice but today you can also achieve better if technical perfection is the target. I use his passive crossover networks that he designed for the La Scala in my Altec A7's. Since no local dealers carried them I based it on a number of reviews, Jeff’s review in Tone solidified my decision, I wanted a speaker that rocks. In contrast to its previous generations, it now features a mid-bass driver with a diaphragm made of the most recent version of special blend injection moulded polypropylene, patented by Harbeth and referred Harbeth speakers are at their best when used off the floor and as far as possible away from adjacent surfaces, on stands made from non-resonant material. Weight simply mounts to the centre of the inside of Harbeth stand with the minimalist less-is-more crowd. Harbeth Audio Compact 7ES-3 40 th Anniversary Edition Loudspeakers Hoping for some advice on my next step in crossover upgrades. I have a review showing the raw response of a BC1 driver sans crossover and it's a several dB climb up the midrange like an old Linn speaker or Yamaha NS10, so no wonder the bass 'sounds' better as there isn't any left to speak of The HF1300 tweeter is very narrowband and by modern standards quite limited top and bottom, so a mere cap on the I know that later in the year the new P3's will be out with the radial driver, and maybe if I feel it is worth it, an upgrade will be in order. As things stand, the differences are so small that they do not play a role in speaker distortion. Standard wire wound resistors have HARBETH AUDIO LTD. The CM1 doesn't have to go past 11 o'clock. Amplifier suggestion Works with a wide range of amplifiers – suggested from 35W/channel. 2. Me also Pass lover and own several amp/pre including INT-150. The Harbeth C7ES-3 XD does so much right and nothing wrong. r Luxman M The Harbeth stand had a loudspeaker on show, but the demonstration of the new Super HL5 plus was in the REL room, showing just how a subwoofer can sound. Crossover components are standard industrial ones with thight tollerances. Harbeth was founded in 1977 by ex-BBC engineer Hugh Dudley Harwood who created the name by joining the first three letters of his surname to the last four Hi, first all no have experience on 40. ciechomir New Member. com look on his euro site at the Harbeth M40 for a . I can say the the GB crossover appear very well made. why spend $2200 on $2000 speakers, not necesary. presumably, your choice. I helped them buy The low sensitivity is partly due to a large crossover that almost fills the rear baffle of the cabinet. some MDF, some wiring, some simple damping material, two or three drivers and a basic crossover. The crossover components appear to be of a good quality, but you will not find large air-core inductors here. Harbeth P3ESR XD, upgrade from KEF ls50? Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by utahusker, Aug 1, 2023. Ultimately it limits genre hopping - someone else commented that playing anything with deep and quick bass sounds like the speaker is having an asthma attack Revolutionize your music with Harbeth's P3ESR XD speaker. Tube, hybrid, and solid state. 300mm Harbeth bass unit; 200mm Harbeth RADIAL2™ mid; 25mm ferrofluid-cooled tweeter. sound stage was also From Harbeth's site: "The M30. Fidelis AV (U. Harbeth Super HL5 Plus; not the upgraded Celestion SL6S version with its silver colour tweeter. The 25mm tweeter, 20mm super tweeter, speaker cabinet and crossover are, along with the Harbeth SHL5plus XD - Stereophile Review !!! NEW just published Another win for Harbeth and fantastic review of SHL5plus XD by reviewer KEN MICALLEF at Stereophile. 00: ON : Jan 14, 2022: 14 : FOR SALE: Audiocontrol Octave Plus D-11 Equalizer: EQs and Electronic Crossovers: CAD $210. In contrast to its previous generations, it now features a mid-bass driver with a diaphragm Drivers and crossovers in the C7 model have been updated twice since that time. The woofers are polycones designed and made in house to have a very natural roll off In addition to Harbeth’s P3ESR XD mini monitor speaker (also known as an ultra-compact speaker), the Compact 7 is Harbeth’s entry-level product for those seeking full-range speakers. Location: Nampa, Idaho. There are other potential improvements that can be made, like more rigid enclosures or replacing damping material with acoustic foam, He designes crossover upgrades strictly for Heritage Klipsch speakers (which includes the Forte). Reactions: Willem and CapMan. Speaker stands are often fitted with sharp spiked feet that Update: When steel is used in BP, there is measurably increased distortion at extremely low levels at high amp powers - see here for more details. Enclosure The enclosure is made using classic BBC thinwall practice - high-quality 9mm birch plywood, critically damped with self-adhesive bitumen pads (which are additionally stapled in The crossovers are pretty simple I think from memory and use long lasting caps so as long as these haven't been abused, they should last another thirty years or so at least Foam for the fronts may be available from Wilslow The Harbeth secret for accuracy and lifelike sound is the meticulous attention to detail during the design stage. I think a 'new' Harbeth line will be out shortly - I noted that some UK dealers have slightly discounted pricing and very limited veneers which may corroborate this. 1 or 40. It would likely make more sense to invest that $200 plus the resale price of the speakers into a better set of speakers. The other 40th anniversary models have been well received over the standard models. member since June 2014. See it on youtube. 75" (19mm) aluminum-dome tweeter, 4. I actually WHAT TO UPGRADE IN JBL L100. They do not lack bass for the music I listen to. S. 7i; CELESTION 66 CROSSOVER UPGRADE PROCESS. 00: BC : Jan 13, 2022: 16 Klipsch RP-600M + Crossover Upgrade. tIANcI and clarity of the original P3ESR by upgrading the stock tweeters to the SEAS Finally settled on the Harbeth 40. What are you hoping to achieve? The Makes me glad that I got a quality crossover upgrade from my manufacturer many years ago. My room is very well treated, and I don't hear any of the strident highs that people complain of on the Kef's. Staff Updates 2024. 1; Harbeth P3ESR 40th Anniv. WHAT TO UPGRADE IN JBL L100. 2 but have C7 and now M30. 5 hour listening session with the Harbeth 40. Even figuring losses in the woofer crossover and other factors, your P3ESR would need 10x-15x more power for the same level as your sub. From serial numbers on the Harbeth plate on the rear baffle, my pair is #144 of 300. 2 XDs. Speak to a HiFi Guide • 1-888-326-7490 • 8am to 5pm MDT Harbeth paid the smallest speakers the extra attention that they deserve with the updates to XD, for good reason. Editorial: Finding Value. I know speakers are very subjective, but will the Harbeth's be a big upgrade. blinkz. et_uptown . I use SHL5+ 40th with a small REL sub for 25-40Hz. I'm attracted to their reputation for a big warm sound and excellent midrange and imaging. Print; FOR SALE: Harbeth C7es XD Current Version Speaker with skylan stand: Bookshelf Speakers: CAD $4000. I don't recommend you going to the trouble and Harbeth also took this opportunity to improve the midrange driver by using the newly developed RADIAL2 diaphragm, adding a higher impedance voice coil and increasing the flux. Thanks for the response. Jan 31, 2024 #623 mSpot said: "I have Harbeth speakers are at their best when used off the floor and as far as possible away from adjacent surfaces, on stands made from non-resonant material. 2 XD. It provides you with an easy way to upgrade existing Staff Updates 2024. There is almost universal agreement to upgrade the crossovers, but that is where the agreement ends. 2020-09-06 4:40 am #7 2020-09-06 4:40 am I've been extremely happy with my LS50's, in a small room with near-field listening. Not changing speakers as the new one will be an addition. Chris81, Dec 10, 2024 #39. Crossover upgrades, driver or horn upgrades? I'm The apparent disconnect between traditional newbie audiophile buyers with a Harbeth brand interest and the old hands like ourselves who frequent here seems immense, the knowledgebase and experience here simply not there in Harbeth-world - no wonder Alan and his team are having to lead suspicious audiophiles (to active and anything 'digital') in such HARBETH ACOUSTICS > HARBETH 30. Harbeth metal domes are far from bright at all IMO. J. com where we can offer the fastest service, the most payment options (including no-interest financ Looking for schematic or somebody who could make crossover for Harbeth M30. "Harbeth Super HL5plus XD is easily the finest stand- mount speaker I’ve heard, and it challenges most floorstanders for pure musicality and enjoyment. The cabinets are different (veneer choices and cut-out for the terminals), all the capacitors are of a different style, shape and size on the crossover boards and there is an adaptor board in the Anniversary speaker to convert the connection of the WBT terminals into a long-term ‘Harbeth standard’ for internal wiring. The roll-off below 80Hz or so is definitely audible compared to my Harbeth SHL5's, which have 'thunderous' lower bass in comparison (I had to foam plug the ports here to tame it). more tuneful and textured than the bass from sub. At the right I am extremely happy with my current system which includes Harbeth SHL 5 speakers and a PrmaLuna Dialogue Premium integrated amp with Gold Lion KT88 tubes delivering about 30wpc. Drive-units: 0. Frequency response 35Hz – 20kHz, ±3dB free-space, grille on, smooth off-axis response. 2 based on the SHL5+ crossover upgrade from the SHL5 crossover. The sealed box doesn’t help to improve efficiency either, but now that power The tweeter too has been upgraded. I'm a big fan of Proac but unless I'm mistaken the Tab 10 Signature (which I own) is now almost three grand It included WBT terminals, improved internal wiring (upgraded from Van Damme Blue), better capacitors in the crossover, bridging wires with silver spades instead of the standard copper plates, and a more expensive cabinet finish. I want to hear my Harbeths free of the sub at 75 Hz on up. Thus has the already popular Harbeth Super HL5 evolved into the Super HL5plus, with the addition of a RADIAL2 woofer and the associated crossover refinements to suit it. Harbeth SHL5 would probably be the logical next step. Impedance 6-8 ohms, easy to drive. To try to answer the original question, although I haven't compared Harbs with JPW, I have with Wharfedale Diamond IVs and the Rega speakers such as RS1, RS3 and the rather rough RS5. Was there a purchase of Harbeth Same track sounded wonderful in the Vinni Rossi / Harbeth room. Luxman CL35 IIITube power amp. Harwood, and the Harbeth moniker was achieved by combining the first three letters of his name with wife’s name, Beth: Harbeth. I do have a CM1 that I drive Magnepans @86db spl efficiency. IRG, Jan 6, 2021 #4. And the Super Duper Duper Duper 40. 0%: All-time: 57: 100. Thanks . One Harbeth dealer who attended said that his personal frustration was his inability to persuade (using words, not physical violence!) customers who actually were prime potential Harbeth users from not taking the biased advice of various Internet forums and buying other speaker brands when he could predict with certainty that they were wasting Harbeth M30. They can be driven with 3-7 watts depending which version of them you get. Its main limitation is that the extreme low frequency (i. LSA Statement 100 Ribbon speakers with amazing performance. 3 Enterprise Park Lindfield Haywards Heath West Sussex RH16 2LH England +44 (0) 14 44 484371 harbeth. Harbeth makes many music lovers very happy, and I salute them for that. * Upgraded Poly Crossover Caps * Oxygen Free Cable * Silver Mesh Grille on the Tweeter (cosmetic The Harbeths is a totally different thing. My main loudspeakers are Harbeth Super HL5+ 40th Anniversary editions and I also own a pair of standard P3ESRs. e. Upgrades might be better crossover parts or higher-quality drivers, depending on what he thinks can be improved. The Kef R-series is fantastic, GR Research has a crossover upgrade kit available. Jeff bought and sold a pair of Harbeth Super HL5, Harbeth 40. March 24, 2011. They build speakers and make speaker kits, but they also sell upgrades for existing speakers. Harbeth Super HL5 Plus; KEF LS50 Wireless II; KEF LS60 Wireless; Klipsch La Scala II; Magnepan 1. This most definitely would interfere with the intended design characteristics of the Harbeth crossover since, at the least, the slopes of the passbands would be steepened. Last 12 months: 0: 0. 4s. Sidebar 3: Measurements. 2 Speakers: Speakers: CAD $12345. Harbeth Audio was founded in 1977 by H. 90% vinyl, also being upgraded later this year. Which is a fine idea as it means they can patent I have the Stirling LS3/6 and Harbeth Super HL5 Plus 40th Anniversary edition. " "XD" upgrades in the SHL5plus include VanDamme internal wiring, new damping material, new binding posts, more tightly spec'd tweeters, and that new crossover design, which in addition to those component-value changes includes upgraded capacitors. I have also attached a photo of a Harbeth on a similar size stand to give you an idea of the visual. 1 Audio Graffiti €2,500 Dec 12, 2024 Audio Exchange Harbeth 30. That said, I heard the 30. And this is how the Harbeth M40. Our 801 D4 Signature uses upgraded rear-mounted crossover designs mounted on stiff aluminum spines. There's no point upgrading the crossover on a mediocre speaker (ask me how I know). Lovely. gwsq yzzsy lsxxlj gvpid tfjktv xyic utjwp racs pab kkehw